Federal Judge Orders Obama To Produce His Birth Certificate

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  1. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

    this is another fabricated e-mail, internet silly season crap.

  2. i am not making any claims about the veracity of his citizenship or the documentation provided.

    I am merely reporting the series of events that led to a lawsuit and that a judge has now ordered him to produce paper copies.

    that is all.

    so please do not try to lump me in with some sort of tinfoil hat conspiracy.

  3. Someone on another forum pointed out that the court order in the link is not a signed document. According to that person, the plaintiff’s attorney commonly prepares an example of an order for a judge but it is not legal unless signed.
    I was ready to celebrate too, but it may be premature.

  4. Obama Crimes, http://www.obamacrimes.com/ , now has a statement up that explains how this misunderstanding started.

  5. Let’s just wait and see. It is getting interesting.

  6. Yes, let’s keep track of this…the media won’t…

    Now, FYI…

    By request….Part 2 of Grail Guardian’s primer on Barack Obama’s associates is UP….greatly expanded list for reference now!!!

    Part 2–The Lineup: A Who’s Who of The Associates of Barack Obama

    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/part-2-the-lineup-a-whos-who-of-the-associates-of-barack-obama/

  7. What scam is Obama trying to pull, that he won’t produce his birth certificate.
    I can’t even begin to tell you how many times I’ve been forced to show mine!
    Of course, as a natural born American citizen over 35 years of age who has lived in this country at least 14 years, I technically meet the requirements to hold the presidency, LOL.
    Question is, does Obama?

  8. Tex — NO, The judge hasn’t signed the Order yet. I have confirmation of that.

    TD

  9. TD, thanks for the update. Please let me know when it’s signed!

  10. that is depressing news. I had my hopes up.

  11. Please note that the Order has not yet been signed. It appears to be merely a proposed order attached to Berg’s motion. When a SIGNED order appears online, then I will believe it. Fastest way to find a copy of a SIGNED order is Berg’s web site at obamacrimes.net.

  12. Denise-Mary is right.

    When a SIGNED order appears online, then I will check to be sure it’s not a fake, wait for Obama to reply, and then I will believe it.

    Most likely Mr. Berg’s application will be dismissed. An independent legal expert – a law teacher or professor – wrote an opinion that the application has been filed in the wrong court.. http://www.michiganlawreview.org/index-fi.htm

  13. I am sorry this election has me so jaded that I believe nothing that comes from the media. The so called experts have been wrong. They are in the tank for Obama. I have heard from my friend who is a lawyer in the state of PA that if the judge ordered the birth certificate produced then he will have to produce it. He said he may have held off signing the legal document for three days to allow Obama to volunteer that information but my friend says that he wants to see that birth certificate.

  14. [...] JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IN THREE DAYS Filed under: Obama, birth certificate — Tags: birth certificate, Obama — hillarysmygirl08 @ 1:10 am http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/federal-judge-orders-obama-to-produce-his-birth-certif… [...]

  15. hillarysmygirl08 sad:

    I have heard from my friend who is a lawyer in the state of PA that if the judge ordered the birth certificate produced then he will have to produce it. He said he may have held off signing the legal document for three days to allow Obama to volunteer that information but my friend says that he wants to see that birth certificate.

    1- It’s possible that a judge may have held off signing the legal document. In a case like this, which might be appealed, the judge will normally give reasons. It does take some time and judges like to consult with colleagues on important legal issues.

    2- to see that birth certificate. If he believes he has no jurisdiction, the judge does not want to see that birth certificate. He does not need to see it to know there is a problem.

    3- as to jurisdiction, I don’t know. A law professor is of the view that the court has no jurisdiction, Mr. Berg argues the contrary. The judge will decide.

  16. Seems to me the easiest and simplest way for the Obama camp to deal with this is simply to produce the birth certificate, and then compare it with the vault copy – or the microfilm/microfiche copy of it.

    Presto – Obama is validated.

    If they won’t – then it seems like there’s something wrong, and you have to ask just why they won’t.

  17. If he has the birth certificate, he has nothing to lose by producing it. Makes you wonder why he didn’t produce it when he threw his hat in the ring. The cantidates should all have their ducks in a row before they run for president. I would call that a pretty big duck!

  18. Obama is represented in the lawsuit by Joe Sandler, who works for the law firm which represents the terrorist sympathizers of CAIR.

  19. What about McCain???..he was born in Panama….

    How come he is not being plagued??

  20. I assume McCain was born on a military base, which is US territory.

  21. [...] certificate and be done with it? This site produces a link to the judges order to produce it. Federal Judge Orders Obama To Produce His Birth Certificate Texas Hill Country Apparently Obama has hired Joe Sandler to represent him. Why bother? Why not just give the birth [...]

  22. Actually, Blue Eye, he was born in the canal zone, which is a hotly debatable place.

    BUT there has been a ruling that in the case of McCain, that is US territory

  23. How is it that the title of your post isn’t
    “A Bunch of Speculative Crap”??

  24. Seriously, you people. Go read your constitution. You are an American by birth if you are born to U.S. parents on foreign soil.
    I have a BA in political science.
    I learned that in grade school.
    What is your excuse?

  25. [...] news and politics, but I have been trying to catch up with the election drawing near. I came across this post at WordPress.org of all places. It claims that Senator Obama has not submitted a valid birth [...]

  26. Let’s all stop using blog articles as proof. They cannot be considered official sources. If you don’t trust the press then you shouldn’t be trusting a blog! This is all speculation (and wishful thinking on the part on those who don’t want Obama to win.) I’m not saying a suite hasn’t been filed. But all this speculation is just that until the Federal Government thinks it is an issue.

  27. Carolina,

    the question of dual citizenship has never been answered by the courts. it goes to the spirit and intent of the law….

    and I have degrees in poly sci too?

    I am also not making an argument about his eligibility, but it is interesting that instead of just producing the birth certificate that he files a motion to dismiss… and that it has gotten to the point where a court might have to order him to do it.

    explain that please.

    perhaps he wasnt born on US soil? I dont know…

    all I know is that he has refused to produce a birth certificate and has allowed it to get to the point where it is in Federal Court…

    seems odd to me?

    Oh, and thanks for the lack of condecension in your reply. very adult of you.

  28. Obama is being judged simply because he is black. It is very hard for white America to believe that this man could be this smart. The jerk that is trying to cause trouble needs to examine his personal reasons. This made is going to be the next president of the U.S. and you can’t help but know he is better than an old man and a chick that think she will deal with world leaders with a wink and a smile.She talks about how she took on big gas companies ,let her try that stand and she will be put in her place quickly. What was McCain thinging or was this one of those times he didn’t,choosing Palin. She needs to cut the moose, it isn’t working ,even with this female.

  29. jeri,

    accusations of racism are not only insulting and unfair to those that you throw them at but they also dimish obama as a person.

    don’t you think that it is at all possible that people don’t like obama for who he is and what his policy positions are rather than just reducing him to skin color.

    I will leave this comment up, but please do not visit my blog again. I will not allow racist commentary to appear on here… even race-baiting commentary.

    thank you.

  30. When did it become racist to state that people are picking at someone because they are black. That is an opinion or maybe even speculation, but not racism. I agree with Jeri. No one is making a big stink about John McCain being born in a different country. He is not a natural born citizen. Through paperwork filed after birth, he bcame an American citizen. Whereas, Obama was born on USA soil and had an American mother. That would make him a citizen. Even if he had a German mother, his being born in the USA would have automatically (at that time) made him an American citizen. Also, newborn babies do not have to sign an oath of allegiance to the country in which they were born – so asking for an oath of allegiance for someone who is born in this country and the child of an American is STUPID. That is not how it is done. Thats why I know this site is going on inaccuracies. A dual citizenship merely means you have citizenship to the country in which you were born and citizenship to the country of your parent or spouse so you may visit or live in that country. I know loads of Americans who have dual citizenships because their spouse is from England or another European country. PS – The federal government has access to each and every birth certificate in this nation. If they had questions, they have already checked the validity of the birth certificate. Learn some facts and how things work before putting up inaccurate information. May God bless and have a good day. :-)

  31. Correction, there was a stink about John McCain’s status as a natural born citizen. The Congress was forced to pass a resolution regarding that subject, allowing him to run.

    John McCain’s status was ruled on as being a “natural born citizen” because he was born in the canal zone in Panama, which was considered US soil at the time.

    BUT there was a ruling on the subject.

    There has been no such ruling on Obama’s dual nationality as a child.

    I know the rules of dual nationality, I am a dual national, thank you very much. FACT – he was a dual national as a child and the courts have not ruled on how that effects the qualification status for POTUS.

    The only inaccuracy I have put forth is that the order was not yet signed and I corrected myself.

    Personally, I think that natural born citizen rule is arcane and should be done away with.

    I have also generally said that this is a non-issue, just posted it because it was an interesting piece of news. This is the ONLY piece of news regarding this subject ever discussed here.

    and please get off the high horse.

    I could care less if Obama was white, black or friggin martian green.

    You can also join Jeri in the disinvite crowd.

    If you want to discuss the issues without crying racism in an completely unjustified setting, please come back.

    if you are going to accuse people of racism simply because they dislike obama, are posting something critical about obama or are posting something about a controversy regarding obama, please refrain from commenting at all.

    And may God bless you for the rest of your days.

  32. Jeri and steadycat,
    It is people like you that make it about skin color. I know so many people voting for McCain and never have one of them ever said that they will not vote for Obama because he is black. They will vote for McCain because they believe in his visions and the way he will run this country just as my friends who will vote for Obama believe in his. I will not say who I will vote for because that is not important. I am just tired of all those who keep playing the “race” card. It’s just an excuse.

  33. You people are idiots of you believe this crap. First, you can’t sue an Illinois resident in Pennsylvania UNLESS they committed so wrongdoing in Pennsylvania, such as crashing a car. There is no grounds for Joe Blow to sue him in Pennsylvania because he thinks Obama has duel citizenship . . . especially when there is no evidence he wasn’t born outside the US. In fact, I doubt there is any forum for such a challenge.

    Second, the judge has not ruled, nonetheless ordered him to turn over anything. Such an order would come through a motion to compel discovery. Well guess what, people! A motion to dismiss would trump a motion to compel production of that document. And guess what else? Obama can only be ordered to produce what he has. If he does not have a birth certificate or that other document, he can’t produce it, can he?

    Last, don’t be surprised if the judge doesn’t rule until sometime after the election. This b.s. litigation would not be very high on the average judge’s “to do” list.

  34. Obama can only be ordered to produce what he has. If he does not have a birth certificate or that other document, he can’t produce it, can he?

    Everyone born in America has a birth certificate. If he does not have one then he needs to request one from the state in which he was born. Simple. To get a passport, you have to produce a birth certificate. When I got my passport, all I had was a copy of my birth certificate. I had to send a written request to the state I was born in to get an origional birth certificate that was notorized.

    I find it very interesting that he hasn’t already had to show proof of where he was born.

  35. A mass boycott of Oprah has started

    Well what do you want the paper or the magazine to say-Jer rateings went down.No they won’t .I see plenty of O on the shelves and are still there…People have stooped waytching her show-including me-I can’t give a rats as* in anything she has to say-I will never watch her show! As well as buy anything that has to do with her and her nagazine – As well as I stopped watching manbc cnn-abc today show the view and more-I don’t care what they have on there-Who can ever believe what they have to say? NOT ME-I don’t allow their show in my home!!!

  36. He also holds indoesneis as well.

  37. I don’t think the judge signed it yet-

  38. A pettition was statrted a while back agao to the FEC-The person who made this pettion had been threatren as well as her family and children.But hey that didn’t stop the people from signing it-She got threats by calls and emails-There are many copys as will as the ip address they came from-

    Now why don’t BARKY just come forward with it? Or maybe buying time to get another fraud one-well that will not work-His birth certificate is in the hand s of many now…..The dnc did not check Obama and to say the DNC knows that he is not and they went ahead and took Obama hopeing that his ties with many terrorist and countrys will help get htem out of a mess with Fannie Mae and Freddie Max- Let get something going here-demand justice to throw them in prison all of those cowards! of the democrats- ALL WHO DID AND MADE THIS MESS INCLUDING ACORN..

  39. There is no decision by the judge — look at the timeline of the case’s events. The judge has made no ruling at all — there is merely the filing by Berg in response to Obama’s motion to dismiss. The judge may well rule that the case is trivial, or that Berg has no standing, or on several other grounds including the fact that Obama has already produced the document, simply dismiss it.

    (Don’t forget the full faith and credit clause. If Hawaii issued the document — and it did — Pennsylvania must give it full faith and credit. It’s astounding that a lawyer like Berg would miss such a point about Constitutional law.)

    A resolution from Congress saying McCain could run? You’re joking, right? Where is it?

    And whatever makes anyone think that such a resolution would be binding and legal? McCain was foreign born. He’s the one who should be fearing these foolish cases. McCain’s the one who cannot produce a birth certificate showing he was born in the U.S.

    But it’s a moot point. Why should either man be bothered with such trivial nuisance suits?

  40. Ed… did you read the last few sentences of the original post or blow through it?

    And I am thoroughly familiar with the full faith and credit laws… the problem is that there has not been a physical copy produced.

    That is all Berg is asking for.

  41. Why is it a problem that Berg doesn’t have a physical copy? By what law does he claim such a privilege?

    Certification of qualifications of candidates is done in each state by the Secretary of State (or equivalent office). Berg is not Pennsylvania’s Secretary of State.

    Berg can get a certified copy like anyone else.

    I think this case is bound for dismissal if the judge has any wits about her, or him.

    In any case, it’s still a moot point.

  42. He will be dealt with. Berg will take this to the highest court and drag family in if need to. Look Out America. The left will war when this breaks in open media

  43. Is Berg suing McCain, too? McCain admits he was born in a foreign country. The Supreme Court has never ruled on the issue.

    If Berg is out to protect America from foreign-born presidents, or presidents ineligible for the office by birth, he should be suing McCain.

    Is he suing McCain?

  44. I BELIEVE IF YOU READ FURTHER IN TO THE LAW IT SAYS BOTH PARENTS MUST BE AMERICAN BORN.
    IT IS BECAUSE ONE CAN ONLY HAVE ALLEGANCE TO ONE COUNTRY.
    IN OBAMAS CASE HE HAS 2 ALLEGENCYS KENYA CHECK HIS THIRD VISIT THERE WHERE HE WAS INVOLVED IN THERE ELECTION, IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF U.S. POLICY AS A U.S.SENATOR.

    ***edited by tex hill***

    Please no racism or comparisons of obama to osama.
    thank you,

  45. THE NAACP, COLON POWEL, AND MS. RICE HAS NOT INDORSED HIM ?????????????

  46. I BELIEVE IF YOU READ FURTHER IN TO THE LAW IT SAYS BOTH PARENTS MUST BE AMERICAN BORN.

    A case where the facts trump faith. The law doesn’t say that at all (and if it did, it would have disqualified George Washington, among others).

    Don’t take my word for it. Look at the Constitution.

    Here’s Article II, Section 2, Clause 5:

    No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    http://www.law.emory.edu/law-library/research/ready-reference/us-federal-law-and-documents/historical-documents-constitution-of-the-united-states/article-ii-the-executive-branch.html#c7662

    It says nothing at all about the citizenship or residency of one’s parents.

    Obama’s qualified under the Constitution. I would argue that McCain is, too — but of course, McCain still hasn’t produced a birth certificate, nor one showing that he was born in the U.S. He was not born in the U.S. Has Berg sued McCain yet?

  47. McCain fought for this country, put his very life on the line. I say he is good to go.
    What has Barry done for this country?

    Also, I think his identity crisis is scary. This is well documented. He has changed his name a number of times, which may be why he may have some trouble running it through the courts.

    He seems to me to be a perfect empty soul, void of anything substantial, and a hole big enough for the long arm of socialism to make a puppet of him.

    Sorry this is not well written. I just had to respond.

  48. I don’t have a link verifying it, but I read that the suit against McCain regarding his not being a “natural born citizen” because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone was dismissed for lack of standing, the same thing that Obama has moved. For those who say why doesn’t he simply produce a birth certificate, there is are easy answers: 1) It is always better to get a case thrown out early than to have to present evidence, defend yourself in court, take a chance even if it is a remote chance, and maybe have to face an appeal or other complications. 2) Obama would not want to set the precedent that just any one of millions of people can file a suit and demand documents from anyone running for President.

    Regarding whether the people at FactChecks.org were lying or duped by a forgery when they went to Chicago and got to handle and photograph the birth certificate

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    On that page is also a picture of a Honolulu newspaper birth announcement in 1961 for a son born to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H Obama on August 4. More important is the information in comment #18 at http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-born-in-hawaii-wrong-can-of-worms/ where an anti-Obama blogger checking it out found that the birth announcements in that paper in 1961 were not submitted by family, but were all based on lists sent to the newspaper from the Department of Vital Records which compiled them from birth certificates they received from local hospitals.

    Thus, independent of any photo of a birth certificate is evidence that Barack Obama was born in a Honolulu hospital on August 4, 1961.

  49. It appers to me that Obama and the liberal democrats are just making the rest of us look like real jerks. And the news media also.

  50. Most of us must obey the laws. Some,like Obama and the DNC, can just ignore laws.

  51. It appers to me that Obama and the liberal democrats are just making the rest of us look like real jerks. And the news media also.

    Sometimes that’s not difficult, no real work at all.

  52. [...] Texas Hill Country we get the basis for some of the concern over the validity of the Obama Certificate of Birth [...]

  53. [...] “To date, Barack Obama has refused to produce a paper copy of his “vault” birth certificate, which is the full birth certificate record from the state.” http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/ [...]

  54. He will not produce them. Our politicians are not working within the law, they are all crooks and this just might be the “mistake” that allows congress to amend the Constitution so that people who are not natural citizens to become president of the U.S.

    They already tried to get Arnold ok’d for the presidency and have already had bills on the floor for this exact situation.

    So, if they get him in, then it would be easy to sell the “mistake” and ammend the Constitution!

    Remember, they do not play within the laws, the rules of late are to break them and then write new laws to fit what you are doing! Kind of like a dictatorship with elections and a change of the guard every so often so we have the appearance of democracy!

  55. Dont you all worry…when he gets back from Hawaai, he will have one. Im not saying it will be a legal birth certificate, but he will have one.

  56. I find it ridicluous that a candidate for the highest political office could get around such a reasonable request as producing a birth certificate, especially when the opposing candidate was challenged on the same issue. I’m intrigued by the “why”, such as, if he has a valid certificate, is he just sticking out his tongue at his critics? (ha, ha, ha, you can’t see it?) As for standing in the lawsuit, it seems to me that every American who is eligible to vote is entitled to see proof of every candidate’s eligibility for the job–regardless of where they live or which political party they represent. In fact, the candidates should have to produce relevant documents before they are allowed on the ballot.

  57. he can’t win, for him to win he must get half of the white
    vote, and all of the black vote, that is how carter won and clinton won.
    obama does not have half of the white vote, however mccain has a solid republican white vote, half of h.clinton’s voters, and I would guess a third of his white dem voters are not puting a BLACK man in the WHITE HOUSE if is as solid as he clames he didn’t need ACORN

  58. This stuff is like watching the soaps. I’m not saying I like Obama, McCain or Palin. What I found odd, was that on a cnn web broadcast on Oct31/08 I found reference to this topic and that 8 states had filed similar suits, and that at some time or another he held a Pakastani passport – and this I emailed to a family friend. However, today in checking my sent message (cause they said they never received the correspondence) the page imbedded in my email has since disappeared and I can find no trace of it ever having been on cnn – nor when I google it can I find that same article. At first I thought tempest in a teapot, but now I’m not so sure, especially since at the beginning of his campaign I recall Obama making reference to Kenya as a child. Anyhow, whatever will be will be – and I sincerely hope the best man gets the job – whoever he is, birthplace is immaterial. What matters is what results are they going to produce for this country.

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  60. I,m With Obama/Biden ,change is comming soon!
    Change is here!

  61. So it was a storm in tea cup after all!
    By the way, did anyone check McCain’s birth certificate? Heard that he was born in Panama. Obviously not a natural born citizen.

  62. For sure right from the bottom of my heart i really admire America and its people but more so The president BARRACK OBAMA aman of people and feeling worried and sorry abad people of the lower class with heavy donations and support to the needy one with out for getting also the free education in the flying school because its my dream since child hood. I REALLY LOVE AMERICAN may the Almighty God bless America right from the leaders upto the last person.

  63. Plain and simple, please go to http://www.wheresobamasbirthcertificate.com lots of facts and pictures. And yes Obama (or whatever his name is) is still covering up the issue. Don,t forget, no college transcripts, no medical records, in fact not much of anything from him.

  64. Yes McCain was born in Panama on a US base to United States citizens and he displayed his long form birth certificate not like Obamas forgery.

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